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Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:14 am
by BioHzrd
Anyone with a home charger & smart meter or any other form of consumption monitor (emon pi/owl/Myenergie) happen to know or willing experimwnt and find out what sort of draw the Enyaq pulls when pre hearing the car ?

I'm just curious to know how much power is needed to heat/cool

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:46 am
by RichR
I can tell you what my Outlander does if that’s any help? Essentially it runs the heater (or aircon) at full power with the fans on full. This draws about 5kW in an Outlander. I suspect the Enyaq might be cleverer though. Then the battery charges as normal - so whatever charge rate you normally get when the battery is about 98%. In the case of the Outlander that’s 3.6kW. But it’s only for 20 minutes or so, meaning you lose a negligible amount compared to the amount you save by the climate control only needing to maintain 20C or whatever, which takes well under 1kW usually.
As the Enyaq can charge faster than the heater uses it, it’ll be drawing close to what just the heater consumes.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:33 am
by orrery
Wouldn't that depend on whether you have the heat pump or not?

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:37 am
by RichR
No, not really. For the short period of time pre-heat runs for, the heat pump won’t be making much of a contribution compared to the PTC heater. Heat pump has more effect over a longer period such as a couple of hours on the motorway.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:54 am
by BioHzrd
Thanks for the reply, I wonder if the Enyaq will pull less being a more "modern" car plus a full BEV so some what a more efficient (you would hope) heating/cooling package.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:11 pm
by RichR
Yes, I’d like to think it is a bit cleverer than the Outlander, and has a more efficient heater due to being 5 years newer.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 8:13 pm
by Xtopher
Can tell you in about a month when ours arrives! Til then I'm no help sorry!

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:56 pm
by orrery
RichR wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:37 am No, not really. For the short period of time pre-heat runs for, the heat pump won’t be making much of a contribution compared to the PTC heater. Heat pump has more effect over a longer period such as a couple of hours on the motorway.
Surely the OP was asking about the power draw when pre-heating? The difference should be about x3 or x4 times between the PTC and the heat pump. I've had x4 EVs so far and all had heat pumps as standard and all were relatively instant at providing heat. The lack of heat pump as standard seems to be a really bad decision on Skoda's part.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:37 pm
by BioHzrd
orrery wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:56 pm
RichR wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:37 am No, not really. For the short period of time pre-heat runs for, the heat pump won’t be making much of a contribution compared to the PTC heater. Heat pump has more effect over a longer period such as a couple of hours on the motorway.
Surely the OP was asking about the power draw when pre-heating? The difference should be about x3 or x4 times between the PTC and the heat pump. I've had x4 EVs so far and all had heat pumps as standard and all were relatively instant at providing heat. The lack of heat pump as standard seems to be a really bad decision on Skoda's part.
It was made for profit reasons and profit alone nothing else, tell customers that paying £1000 for a device that will improve the millage of the vehicle people will buy it because it says increased millage the same way people buy every new apple product.

Re: Pre Conditioning - Curiosity ?

Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 8:37 am
by orrery
BioHzrd wrote: Mon Oct 11, 2021 8:37 pm It was made for profit reasons and profit alone nothing else, tell customers that paying £1000 for a device that will improve the millage of the vehicle people will buy it because it says increased millage the same way people buy every new apple product.
There's probably a lot of truth in that, but I suspect the main reason that everything is an option is to keep the base model under the Plug-in car grant. Of course, once it becomes an option it has to become more expensive.