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Post by scratch113 »

RichR wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:35 am Options that don't affect the performance are allowed, but anything that makes it handle, brake or accelerate better and take it over the threshold can make it ineligible. The problem is of course the way the UK government dropped the threshold without warning, and it's unfortunate it was at the point Skoda had already set their RRPs.
IIRC, Skoda adjusted the RRPs of all of the iV60 range so that they all came in under the £35k limit without options. You'd also be hard pressed to describe the 100kW charging option as increasing the performance of the car, it only affects the speed of charging, and even then only from a public DC charger - there's no benefit from it for your home AC charger.

Certainly the pricing gaps between the different trim levels are not the same if you're ordering an iV80 - the pricing is a much steeper increase from Loft up to Ecosuite.

The gaps are as follows (Loft / Lodge / Lounge / Suite / Ecosuite):
iV60: £165 - £200 - £50 - £85
iV80: £525 - £615 - £170 - £260

Seeing as the only difference is the materials that the door and dash are trimmed with as well as the material the seats are covered with, you can't tell me that you're getting a superior interior in the equivalent iV80 over the same trim model on the iV60. There's no way that it costs Skoda more to fit just because there's a bigger battery and more powerful electric motor. As an example, if you were to order an iV80 Lounge, what do you get for your £775 additional outlay over the base Loft trim level in the iV80 that you don't get in the equivalent iV60 given that the interiors will be identical (£365 upgrade cost for an iV60, £1140 for an iV80)?

Hmm...
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Just to show that the £2500 grant currently still applies, even if you load up the iV60 with many options, have a look at this link below. Assuming it works, this will take you straight to the configuration I just made to load up an iV60.
If you scroll down the prices, you should see "-£2500" for the government grant.


https://cc.skoda-auto.com/gbr/en-GB/sum ... 7Cservices
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Post by Perchede »

Can I check that other users can only modify Aircon settings and not charging.
In short the app does not do much.
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scratch113 wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 5:10 pm
RichR wrote: Mon Jun 28, 2021 7:35 am Options that don't affect the performance are allowed, but anything that makes it handle, brake or accelerate better and take it over the threshold can make it ineligible. The problem is of course the way the UK government dropped the threshold without warning, and it's unfortunate it was at the point Skoda had already set their RRPs.
IIRC, Skoda adjusted the RRPs of all of the iV60 range so that they all came in under the £35k limit without options. You'd also be hard pressed to describe the 100kW charging option as increasing the performance of the car, it only affects the speed of charging, and even then only from a public DC charger - there's no benefit from it for your home AC charger.

Certainly the pricing gaps between the different trim levels are not the same if you're ordering an iV80 - the pricing is a much steeper increase from Loft up to Ecosuite.

The gaps are as follows (Loft / Lodge / Lounge / Suite / Ecosuite):
iV60: £165 - £200 - £50 - £85
iV80: £525 - £615 - £170 - £260

Seeing as the only difference is the materials that the door and dash are trimmed with as well as the material the seats are covered with, you can't tell me that you're getting a superior interior in the equivalent iV80 over the same trim model on the iV60. There's no way that it costs Skoda more to fit just because there's a bigger battery and more powerful electric motor. As an example, if you were to order an iV80 Lounge, what do you get for your £775 additional outlay over the base Loft trim level in the iV80 that you don't get in the equivalent iV60 given that the interiors will be identical (£365 upgrade cost for an iV60, £1140 for an iV80)?

Hmm...
*UPDATE*

The Enyaq configurator has now been updated so that you only choose one of iV60, iV80 or iV80 Sportline on the first page and the design of the interior comes later (under design). This has then aligned the price of each design of the interior between the iV60 and iV80.

Prices are as follows:
Loft (free, it's the base level)
Lodge = £525
Lounge = £1140
Suite = £1310
ecoSuite = £1570

Hopefully this is treated as an option for the purposes of the Government grant for those planning to order an iV60, as previously Skoda had treated the 5 different trim levels as 5 different models, but adjusted the price of each to ensure they were all under £35k. The configurator would imply that it is, as the price quoted on the right side includes the grant at each step, even when you add every conceivable optional extra - you can get an iV60 up to £49,946, but that still includes a £2500 discount (not sure anyone would ever tick every single one of those options - it's nearly £18k-worth!!!)

The downside is for anyone now planning to order an iV60 in anything other than Loft trim - the increasing trim levels are going to cost you a little more for each step up the range.
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Post by Simonabw »

RichR wrote: Fri Jun 25, 2021 12:49 pm Yes, standard is Enyaq is 50kW maximum, but you can add an option to upgrade the battery management unit to take that to 100W (on 60 models) or 125kW (on 80 models). There are rumours that there might be a software update to increase that to 150kW or more at some point. But you do need the uprated battery management unit to take advantage of the higher rates and hence reduce the amount of time spent charging. Bear in mind that often higher rate chargers (eg Ionity and BP) tend to cost more than the lower power ones.

If you mainly charge at home this isn't a big deal. If you're doing longer trips it just means you'll maybe want to take longer breaks, or more frequent short ones. Driving an EV means a change to how you drive longer distances anyway (ie you need to plan where you might stop for lunch or coffee breaks to be where there is a charger), so you'll soon get used to planning how long you're going to stop each time.

For example, Skoda quote 50 minutes for a 20%-80% charge at 50kW and 30 minutes for 125kW. On a domestic 7.2kW AC charger it's more like 9 hours to 100%, but it's significantly cheaper and your car's usually doing nothing overnight anyway.
Exeter dealer have confirmed that for 80 base models, the DC charging is upgradeable from 50 to 125kw within the next few weeks. Cost of £440 and needs to go into their shop, apparently, so not quite OTA sadly.
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Post by Paulj1 »

A couple of things….. when I reasearched prices of the 60 vs. 80. When you looked at the residual values there’s wasn’t much in it… the govt grant didn’t make a difference really over the 3/4 years of ownership.

On the charging point, the original post. We came up from Liverpool yesterday, had about 90 mile range, we called at Cheshire oaks, at was on a 7kw charger for 3 hours and added bugger all really, range went up to 150m about 60%….. so called in at a 50kw charger, 20 mintutes ish, charge is up at 80%. I knew that would get me to Carlisle.

The 350kw charger at Carlisle is great, 32 minutes, put 47kw in… highest charge rate observed was 107kw, but remember it fluctuates…. Now that cost £32… and your paying for convenience more than anything. By the time you plug in, go for a wee and get a coffee it’s done.

Hope that helps…
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Paulj1 wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 9:42 am The 350kw charger at Carlisle is great, 32 minutes, put 47kw in… highest charge rate observed was 107kw, but remember it fluctuates…. Now that cost £32… and your paying for convenience more than anything. By the time you plug in, go for a wee and get a coffee it’s done.
Was that Ionity at Gretna? Don't know of any other 350kW chargers around this way. Good to know they work well!
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Post by RichR »

Other than Alnwick, Newcastle and Sunderland there's nothing over 100kW north of Leeds/Preston until you get to Scotland listed on Zap-map or ABRP. Bit of a massive gap in coverage really (OK, so a reasonable amount of that part of the country has a very low population density, due to being moors, forests, mountains and dales, but the motorways and A66 could do with something).

I can't find anything higher than 60kW near Carlisle on the charger maps. Are you sure it's Carlisle, and not Ionity at Gretna?
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Post by zen-yak »

Just had a look at the configurator page for the EQ60 and there is no option for changing the DC charging rate now (it was greyed out before and the base price altered). Now it's not there but the standard specification list on the summary page now reads "upto 120 kWh charging".
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Post by RichR »

About time they removed the option box, given it became mandatory two months ago and couldn't be unselected.

So now it's clear that all 60s are 100kW (upgrading to 120kW next year with a software update) and all 80s are 125kW (upgrading to 150kW next year).
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