100kW Upgrade - After Build

All Skoda Enyaq related discussions
scratch113
Posts: 186
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:48 pm

Post by scratch113 »

There are rumours that there could be a software upgrade available for the Enyaq next year that could take the max charging rate for the 80 model up to 150kW or even 175kW - the initial release of the Enyaq was deliberately conservative to check that in the real world the battery management systems and in particular battery heat management could cope. Sounds like the system is actually much more capable but it's up to the Skoda engineers to determine what is realistically feasible with the current architecture.

One thing for sure though, it's never going to get to the same level as a Kia EV6/Hyundai Ioniq 5 as they have an 800V system which allows for 250kW charging from launch, with rumours that could go out to 350kW in the future. Not that there are any charging stations that can deliver that yet, but again, rumours of up to 500kW charging stations coming in the next 3-5 years? The recent Porsche Mission R concept has a 900V system that can (theoretically) handle 350kW charging already.
Current: 22 Kodiaq Sportline 2.0TDI 200
Prev: 19 Kodiaq
16 LR Disco Sport HSE Lux
08 Audi A5 3.0TDI
03 Audi S4 4.2 V8
98 Audi A4 2.8 quattro
95 Audi A4 1.8T Sport
92 VW Golf Mk3 1.9 TD
90 Ford Escort Mk5 1.6 LX
83 Vauxhall Astra Mk1 1.3 S

Goaty
Posts: 1576
Joined: Sat May 22, 2021 3:27 pm

Post by Goaty »

What I would say - try not to ‘super charge’ unnecessarily; it places more stress on the battery than slower charging (if your EV is something you want to keep for 5+ years, might be worth bearing in mind).

One of the industries I’m involved with utilise thousands of old EV batteries in second-life applications such as energy storage. Battery Management Systems are smart and any which report back as having been supercharged all the time, get rejected for second-life purposes as they are more likely to have issues later on (e.g. more prone to thermal runaway fires). At least, the more responsible energy storage manufacturers tend to reject them.
iV80 Loft, Black, 21” Betria, 125kW, Climate Plus, Asst Drive Basic. Tethered PodPoint. Ordered May 2021. Delivered Nov 2021. Regrettably returned Jan 2024 (Company car. Changed jobs).
scratch113
Posts: 186
Joined: Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:48 pm

Post by scratch113 »

Top advice if it's your own car, but then there is the company Tesloop in Los Angeles that runs a shuttle service between LA and Las Vegas and their oldest model S has covered over 400,000 miles. Admittedly it got through 3 batteries in that time, but the original one lasted just shy of 200,000 miles and was regularly charged via a super charger 3 times a day (not recommended) and also charged all the way to 100% every time (also not recommended). It was still only showing 6% degradation in charge capacity at that point, so for the majority, the batteries are generally going to be good enough to last the lifetime of the vehicle they are fitted to.

Of course there will inevitably be some failed batteries, much like you still get engine failures on ICE cars, but that doesn't mean that all batteries will be dead after 8 years/100,000 miles (which is the warranty most EV manufacturers apply).
Current: 22 Kodiaq Sportline 2.0TDI 200
Prev: 19 Kodiaq
16 LR Disco Sport HSE Lux
08 Audi A5 3.0TDI
03 Audi S4 4.2 V8
98 Audi A4 2.8 quattro
95 Audi A4 1.8T Sport
92 VW Golf Mk3 1.9 TD
90 Ford Escort Mk5 1.6 LX
83 Vauxhall Astra Mk1 1.3 S
BioHzrd
Posts: 624
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Location: Scotland

Post by BioHzrd »

scratch113 wrote: Sat Oct 09, 2021 9:21 pm There are rumours that there could be a software upgrade available for the Enyaq next year that could take the max charging rate for the 80 model up to 150kW or even 175kW - the initial release of the Enyaq was deliberately conservative to check that in the real world the battery management systems and in particular battery heat management could cope. Sounds like the system is actually much more capable but it's up to the Skoda engineers to determine what is realistically feasible with the current architecture.

One thing for sure though, it's never going to get to the same level as a Kia EV6/Hyundai Ioniq 5 as they have an 800V system which allows for 250kW charging from launch, with rumours that could go out to 350kW in the future. Not that there are any charging stations that can deliver that yet, but again, rumours of up to 500kW charging stations coming in the next 3-5 years? The recent Porsche Mission R concept has a 900V system that can (theoretically) handle 350kW charging already.
4 350kW stations are installed at a Starbucks in Perth up in Scotland, not that many cars can use that yet but they are around.

Unless your doing serious daily millage 100/150kW will suffice for most usage cases but ita nice to see these super chargers coming round
60 Loft, Parking Basic Package, Moon White

I’m a @TentBox Ambassador. Ask me anything about TentBox! 😃

Might work for a well know charging company 😉

Electrician - 18th Edition & 2391-52 Qualified - Over 18 years, so I know what I'm talking about 😂
Beninscotland
Posts: 98
Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:52 pm

Post by Beninscotland »

BioHzrd wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:10 am 4 350kW stations are installed at a Starbucks in Perth up in Scotland, not that many cars can use that yet but they are around.
BioHzrd is that the Starbucks at the roundabout with the A9?
Sportline
Ordered: 28/07/2021
Start Build: 13/09/2021
Status update "awaiting parts": 02/11/2021
Left factory: 14/01/2022
Departed Emden: 19/01/2022
Skoda email "Your life Electric is about to begin": 20/01/2022
Collection: 30/01/022
Nunfa1
Posts: 33
Joined: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:51 pm

Post by Nunfa1 »

In reality how many people have to use rapid chargers? My commute is nowhere near long enough to need even 50kw charging, overnight charging at home or charging at work on 7kw is absolutely fine. I get some people do serious daily millage and would use them, but for a few long trips a year at best is it really worth the cost? I didn't upgrade to 100kw purely for that reason.
I think EVs requires a mindset change, if you drive an ICE car you fill it up when you use it, if it sits parked up with barely any fuel it's not an issue, you just get in and drive to the petrol station. With an EV you should be filling it up when it's not in use. Charging infrastructure should be aimed at getting people access to 7kw charging when the cars are parked up, not everyone is luck enough to have a driveway.
User avatar
RichR
Posts: 1918
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:53 am
Location: South end of North Yorkshire

Post by RichR »

This is it - for the majority of people who can charge at home, they might use public chargers only a couple of times a year when visiting relatives or going on holiday. Most journeys will be well within the range of a charge at home. There are of course people who travel a lot for business or a hobby who will use public chargers a lot more. Obviously people who can’t charge at home will be relying on public chargers.
Enyaq iV 80 Sportline, Energy Blue, Assisted Drive Plus, Infotainment Plus, Convenience Plus, Comfort Seat Plus, Transport Pack, Heat Pump, ME3.2, Built Nov 2021.
BioHzrd
Posts: 624
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:14 pm
Location: Scotland

Post by BioHzrd »

Beninscotland wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:20 am
BioHzrd wrote: Sun Oct 10, 2021 10:10 am 4 350kW stations are installed at a Starbucks in Perth up in Scotland, not that many cars can use that yet but they are around.
BioHzrd is that the Starbucks at the roundabout with the A9?


Yeah it's on Perth "Motor Mile" off the inveralmond roundabout. The Porsche dealership off the Broxden roundabout also has two chargers on site and I'm assuming they are high output for the Taycan owners.

I'm in the same boat never upgraded to 100kW as have no need for it on or daily use and on any long journeys I ha e two kids 7 & 1 so a long stop is a requirement on big trips.

Only reason I will use "rapid chargers" in my town is the fact they are currently free to use, I just hope this is the case when my enyaq finally turns up.
60 Loft, Parking Basic Package, Moon White

I’m a @TentBox Ambassador. Ask me anything about TentBox! 😃

Might work for a well know charging company 😉

Electrician - 18th Edition & 2391-52 Qualified - Over 18 years, so I know what I'm talking about 😂
Goaty
Posts: 1576
Joined: Sat May 22, 2021 3:27 pm

Post by Goaty »

Just a thought…. Maybe Skoda are by default now including the higher charging capabilities (albeit at a cost) to avoid getting a reputation for being a bit ‘slow’ at public charging stations - which of course could lead to bad publicity.

Probably just me being overly suspicious as usual… but if I were in charge of Skoda’s marketing department, that’s exactly what I would do 😉
iV80 Loft, Black, 21” Betria, 125kW, Climate Plus, Asst Drive Basic. Tethered PodPoint. Ordered May 2021. Delivered Nov 2021. Regrettably returned Jan 2024 (Company car. Changed jobs).
User avatar
RichR
Posts: 1918
Joined: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:53 am
Location: South end of North Yorkshire

Post by RichR »

I agree - it's something that got picked up on most independent reviews, and certainly now there's sort of competition from non-VAG brands (though still nothing really has the boot space of the Enyaq/ID.4/Q4) they need to remove that reason. And it's only a few hundred pounds so might as well become standard.
Enyaq iV 80 Sportline, Energy Blue, Assisted Drive Plus, Infotainment Plus, Convenience Plus, Comfort Seat Plus, Transport Pack, Heat Pump, ME3.2, Built Nov 2021.
Post Reply

  • You may also be interested in...
    Replies
    Views
    Last post