RFID cards and memberships for best public charging rates. Still confused!

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Goaty
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Post by Goaty »

I know many public charging points allow people to pay via a contactless swipe - which is great - but that doesn’t necessarily mean you’re getting the lowest charging tariff.

Do we have a definitive understanding of which RFID cards we should be keeping with us for charging around the UK? Or if not RFID cards, memberships and apps we should have handy to ensure we’re benefiting from the lowest prices?

I have so far got my Skoda Powerpass and Chargemap cards ready although to be honest, I’ve no idea if they’re actually going to be useful yet.

I heard that we should also have a Chargeplace Scotland membership too (for Scotland) as many EV points there don’t accept contactless payment?

It’s definitely a bit of a minefield. I’d like to understand the UK system first before thinking about what’s required for continental Europe!

Thanks.
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Post by orrery »

There are networks which require you to deposit money with them, there are networks which require membership and a monthly fee, there are networks which require Apps, some have RFID cards and sometimes these cards cost money, some allow you to allocate any of your existing cards to be the RFID for their charger, some allow you to just pay by credit card.

The whole thing is a complicated mess. You need to investigate which chargers operate in the areas you wish to charge. If you get caught out then you can often join at the charger.

I have some historic memberships of charger networks which have gone under, and some that have been taken over - I have membership, but I'd guess it wouldn't work if I tried it now. Now, which networks did I have to deposit money for? Could those that have gone under have £10, £20, £30 of my money?

There isn't a definitive answer. There are some networks which you just slap your card on, are reliable, reasonably widespread and don't cost the earth - InstaVolt being a good example. For anything else, consult Zap-Map.
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Post by RichR »

There have been some YouTube videos fairly recently from people like EVM summarising the current (or at least a month or so ago) status, and which networks it was worth getting RFID cards or apps for.

What is worth doing though is spending a bit of time on Zap-Map (the desktop web page version I found better for this), looking at places you might travel often (eg visiting a relative elsewhere in the country, or travelling to a port or airport) and what chargers there are along that route. For example, for me to drive to my mum's (north Cornwall) from here (south North Yorkshire), I'd probably do a 15 minute charge somewhere near Birmingham, then another short charge around Bristol (and get lunch), then a bigger charge near Exeter to ensure I get to my destination with about 40-50% remaining. I'd aim for Ionity or the new Gridserve chargers for the big charge, but the smaller ones will probably be Gridserve/Shell/Instavolt on or just off the M5/M6.
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Post by Goaty »

/_\ Thanks both. I could be travelling anywhere to be honest and sometimes with less than 12 hours notice (limiting time for pre-planning).

I don’t think I’m too worried about not being able to charge at all - our little rock called the United Kingdom isn’t large enough for that !!! I think what irks me the most, is not getting the best rate available (knowing I can only claim back 4 pence per business mile) and memberships etc are meant to help with that I think. I suppose experience will help a great deal.
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Post by RichR »

I guess though you'll be travelling on the motorways at least some of the way no matter where you're going? In which case it's mainly Gridserve/Ecotricity, InstaVolt and Ionity that provide the bulk of them (in England anyway). Just need to spend maybe 10 minutes checking in ABRP/Zap-Map to see what might be on the route. At least with an 80 you can cover a decent distance between charge stops if you need to, so can be a bit selective if you want to.
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Post by adie.thompson »

I have BP Pulse, Pod Point (mostly free 7kW chargers but some faster chargers that you have to pay for), Shell, GeniePoint and InstaVolt apps & RFID cards.

I don't have the Gridserve app as their new chargers all seem to cost 30p/kW whether or not you use the app or pay by contactless.

Instavolt app used to give you a cheaper cost but now they seem to be 40p/kW which I think is the same if you paid by contactless methods I think.

ABRP I've found to be the better (as it name suggests) app for planning routes.
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Post by Powerstar »

I’ve subscribed to the Octopus Juice card as it works with 13 networks currently, some at better rates than paying contactless.
It’s a useful backup to have with you ‘just in case’
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Post by Nunfa1 »

You definitely need to sign up to the pod point app. They have free chargers at Tesco but you still need to activate them through the app.
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Post by Nunfa1 »

After my trip this weekend, this is what I've learned:
Gridserve 30p kw/h and Instavolt 40p kw/h both work off a contactless debit card.
Ionity you need to sign up on the app, don't know what the price was but the point was saying 69p kw/h. Don't know what that was for as it didn't accept a straight contactless card.
Chargemaster, you need the Bp app, although this was an old charging point and it didn't work anyway. Newer ones might accept contactless I think.
Zap Map lists all the details of the charging points including whether or not it accepts contactless.
Honestly, it's a minefield, all should just be contactless with a standard charge. I'm sure we'll get to that point sooner rather then later, until then just plan your route on Zap map or equivalent and check which chargers you're going to use, and always have a plan B.
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Post by arc »

Does perhaps the Škoda Powerpass iV card work with Chargeplace Scotland charging points? Like Goaty, I will probably use Chargeplace Scotland charging points but if Škoda's free membership covers me, that would make things easier.
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